Q: Are people still baptized in the Holy Spirit? What is the baptism of fire?

A:   1). First we will deal with the baptism of fire. The only place in the Bible where baptism of fire is mentioned is in Matthew 3:11. There John the Baptist said, "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." John was talking to a large multitude of people. That group was made up of both the apostles (Jn. 1:40) and "Pharisees and Sadducees" (Matt. 3:7). John had said to this mixed group that Jesus would baptize some that were present (the apostles) in the Holy Spirit and others that were present (the rebellious Pharisees and Sadducees) in fire. He is clearly speaking of two different baptisms and not one. He had told the Pharisees and Sadducees that they must bear fruits worthy of repentance because Jesus would cut down every tree that did not bear good fruit and cast it into the fire (Matt. 3:10). Then he told them that Jesus would baptize in the Holy Spirit and fire (Matt. 3:11). He went on to say that Jesus would "thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire" (Matt. 3:13). So here are three references to fire in three verses. One of the great mistakes people make in studying the Bible is to isolate verses from their context. Fire is used in two verses in this context to refer to eternal punishment and so in keeping with the context we must conclude that fire in verse 11 also reverse to punishment. John was telling those Pharisees and Sadducees that if they did not repent and show it by their works then they would receive the judgment of fire (cf. Matthew 7:19; 13:40, 42, 50; 18:8; 25:41). Notice that when John was speaking to the disciples he did not mention the baptism of fire but the baptism of the Holy Spirit alone (Jn. 1:33). This is because those to whom the baptism of fire referred had left the scene. The Bible is clear that Jesus will be the one to render the sentence of eternal punishment to the wicked in the last hour (Jn. 5:28, 29; 2 Cor. 5:10).

It is supposed that the baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire is one baptism because at the fulfillment of the baptisms of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles in Acts 2 it says that "there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them" (Acts 2:3). Luke does not say that when the apostles were baptized in the Holy Spirit that they were also baptized in fire but received a visual confirmation of the baptism of the Holy Spirit in form of divided tongues that looked like flames, not that it was flames. Just like that sound that they heard was as of a mighty rushing wind not that it was a mighty rushing wind. Luke was giving a description of what it sounded and looked like when the apostles were baptized in the Holy Spirit. He did this by way of simile so that people could have some idea of these great events.

When we see John’s statement in context it becomes clear that the baptism in fire has nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy Spirit and that they are two very different things.

 

2). Now that we have addressed the baptism by fire let us deal with the first part of our question. "Are people still baptized in the Holy Spirit?" In order to answer this question we must first understand what the Bible says about Holy Spirit baptism.

First of all notice that the administrator of Holy Spirit baptism was Christ. John the Baptist said, "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire" (Matt. 3:11). God told John that Christ would be the administrator. John 1:33 "I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to the Apostles. He said, John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. And again in John 15:26 "But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. Further, John 16:13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. Regarding the events of Pentecost, Peter said, "Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear" (Acts 2:33). It is abundantly clear from these passages that Christ Himself would be the administrator of Holy Spirit baptism and that it would be administered after His ascension to the Father.

Now let us notice that the recipients of Holy Spirit baptism were the apostles and the household of Cornelius. The Lord just before He ascended, told the apostles, "you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now" (Acts 1:5). On the same occasion the Lord told the apostles to remain in Jerusalem "until you are endued with power from on high" (Luke 24:49). In Acts 1:8 Jesus told the apostles that they would receive power when the Holy Spirit came upon them. They were in Jerusalem when the Spirit came upon them (Acts 2:1-4). Almost no one would argue that this was not the first instance of Holy Spirit baptism.

Holy Spirit baptism occurred again in Acts 10:44-45. "While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also." Peter later testified to the Jews, "And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning" (Acts 11:15). One has said of this phrase, "at the beginning," that is "denotes that the Spirit of God had not fallen on the Jewish congregation, as it did on Pentecost, and from Pentecost till the conversion of the Gentiles, such a scene was never witnessed, even by the apostles; for he could find no parallel case to which he could refer in giving a description of it, save that which happened in Jerusalem on Pentecost." "Peter had to go all the way back to Pentecost to think of another case like it" (Gus Nichols). The apostles received the baptism of the Spirit in the beginning for Jesus said it would be that (Acts 1:5). Cornelius also received the "baptism" of the Spirit because Peter said, "Then I remembered the word of the Lord…how He said you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit" (Acts 1:5; 11:16). Peter applied all of this, except "not many days from now," to what happened. Peter also declares that God "…gave them the same gift as He gave us…" (Acts 11:17). The Greek word translated "same" here literally means "equal." The word "same" used in Acts 11:17 is the identical Greek word used by Peter, "Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Pet. 1:1). It is obvious that the word "same" means "equal" and is the same basic word found in Philippians 2:6, Christ "did not consider it robbery to be equal with God." Cornelius and his house received the same or equal gift that the apostles received on Pentecost in Acts 2.

Now let us go on to notice that there were three distinct purposes of Holy Spirit baptism set forth by God’s word.

First, the Holy Spirit was to reveal all truth to the apostles, "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come" (Jn. 16:13). James speaks of the "perfect law of liberty." "But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does" (Js. 1:25). God has given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness. "His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue" (2 Pet. 1:3). Paul says the scriptures are able to furnish us unto all good works. "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work" (2 Tim. 3:16, 17). Jude states that the faith has been once delivered. "Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." (Jude 3).

 

Second, the Holy Spirit was to confirm the truth spoken by the apostles. At the giving of the great commission, this promise was given. "Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen.

And He said to them, ‘Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.’ So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen." (Mark 16:14-20). The Hebrews writer states that God did confirm their word. "Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?" (Heb. 2:1-4).

 

Third, the Holy Spirit fell on the Gentiles to bear witness that God would accept the Gentiles as he did the Jews. "And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: ‘Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them [bore them witness, KJV] by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith’" (Acts 15:7-9).

Now, more directly related to our question, we see by examining the biblical facts regarding Holy Spirit baptism that it had ended by A.D. 64 or before. Remember that on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2 there were two baptisms. The first was the baptism of the apostles in the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:1-4) and then Peter commanded the people on Pentecost to be baptized for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38). Then, in A.D. 41, when Peter went to the household of Cornelius there were two baptisms. The Holy Spirit fell on Cornelius and his house (Acts 10:44) and then Peter commanded Cornelius and his house to be baptized in water (Acts 10:47, 48). However, in A.D. 64, when Paul wrote the Ephesian letter, he said there is "one baptism" (Eph. 4:5). Holy Spirit baptism was a promise and was to be administered by Christ (Matt. 3:11). The baptism of the Great Commission, on the other hand, was to be administered by men (Matt. 28:19) and to last till the end of the world (Matt. 28:20). The only baptism administered by men was water baptism.

 

So to the question, "Are people still baptized in the Holy Spirit?" the Bible says no because its purpose has been fulfilled and thus it has ended sometime before A.D. 64 when the apostle Paul said that there was just one baptism. And to the question, "What is baptism in fire?" the Bible says that it is the fires of eternal punishment to which Christ will sentence the evildoer.


i Adapted from James Meadows, Lessons on the Holy Spirit, pp. 23-27.
ii Alexander Campbell, The Christian Baptist, Vol. II, p. 71.

 

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  • 3/30/2007 12:34 AM Anonymous wrote:
    norm, everything that you and jason speak about on thursdays go against everything that 99% of churches believe, the holy ghost is real and so is the baptism. I believe that you all need to really study the bible and all its contents. And stop taking parts of the Bible out to fit your ways of thinking, the bible says what it means and means what it says. Yes i agree that we are to contend for the faith, however we don't arguee. You guys need to talk about the love of God and stop tearing down and trying to disprove other religions. The number 1 Thing that was talked about in the bible was love, so start showing love.
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    1. 4/5/2007 9:13 AM Norm Fields wrote:
      Dear Viewer,

      I appreciate you tuning into the Bible Q-n-A TV program and visiting the web site. I want to reply to the things you had to say in your comment. I will reply point by point:

      You said that everything I teach contradicts what about 99% of churches believe.

      Be that as it may, what I teach comes strait from the Bible and I am ready and willing to demonstrate that fact any time. That’s the whole point of the TV program and this web site - i.e., to expose where denominationalism contradicts the Bible with the goal of saving some from man-made doctrines that cannot save (Mark 7:7). It is interesting that in your comment, in which you accuse me of not accurately representing the word of God, you do not give one single Scripture reference to prove what you say. Can you point out where I have misrepresented what the Bible teaches? If you can then I will surely repent. But if you can’t, whose repentance should I expect? Will you repent of your false doctrine and obey the word of God, rather than the doctrines of men? Or are you so devoted to doctrines that cannot be defended from the Bible that you will continue to ignore what the Bible very clearly teaches (2 John 9)?

      In the words of the apostle Paul, “For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man” (Galatians 1:10, 11). My goal in teaching and preaching is not to agree with what “99% of churches believe”! It is to please God by preaching and teaching only those things that come from His word.

      You said, “the Holy Ghost is real and so is the baptism.”

      I agree wholeheartedly! As a matter of fact, if you tuned in to my broadcast last week (3/29/07) then you heard me spend a great deal of time defending the deity of the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3, 4). Can you show anything I have said on the air or on this web site that would indicate that I don’t believe in the Holy Spirit? Are you saying that because I deny people today receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost that I don’t believe in the Holy Ghost?

      I am sure that you are aware of the standing invitation for someone to come on any of our four live TV broadcast and work a miracle. We will provide the air time and the person that needs healing and you can provide the person who claims to have the power to heal them. If you can get someone to accept that invitation you can silence any further argument over whether or not people today can work miracles. I know for a fact that you will not accept that invitation because I know, and you do too, that you can’t work miracles and neither can anyone else.

      Now, is it the case that I don’t believe in the Holy Spirit or the baptism of the Holy Spirit or biblical miracles because I say that no one today can work miracles? I do believe in the Holy Spirit and that specific ones in the first century were baptized in the Holy Spirit and that first century Christians had the ability to work miracles because the Bible says they could. Likewise, I am assured of the fact, that people today are not baptized in the Holy Spirit and cannot work miracles because the Bible says they can’t (1 Corinthians 13:10; Ephesians 4:13).

      You say that we need to study the Bible and all its contents and stop taking parts out to fit our ways of thinking.

      Again, it amazes me that you would make this kind of accusation without giving a single Scripture to prove what you are saying. Do you suppose that I should just accept your accusations and apologize because what I have taught has offended you and “your way of thinking”? If what I am teaching is the result of diligent study and conviction in what the Bible teaches then should I not expect for you, who challenge what I am teaching as being false, to provide biblical evidence for your accusation? It seems to me that you are accusing me of your own guilt. Where is the result of your studying the Bible “and all its contents” on this subject? I would be happy to defend what I have taught on live TV and give you, or the person of your choosing, the opportunity to try and prove what I’ve taught to be wrong - on live TV. Will you accept such an invitation? I don’t think you will, and when you don’t, every visitor to this web site and viewer of the TV program will know that you refused to back up your accusations with evidence.

      You say that you agree that “we are to contend for the faith, but we don’t argue.”

      Can you tell me how you contend then? Is it by leaving anonymous and argumentative comments on my blog? How amazing that you can make such a statement, “we don’t argue,” in the middle of an argument! This is just another example of the self-contradicting nature of denominational thought. You can contradict yourself in one breath and think nothing of it. I suspect the reason you would say such a thing is to justify yourself for not standing up to defend what you say.

      Not that it will matter much to you, but the definition of the word “contend” is “to strive in controversy or debate; dispute” (American Heritage Dictionary). And, just to make sure we have to right idea about what Jude 3 is saying, the Greek word for “contend” means “to fight,” “to defend,” “to strive urgently,” “to struggle for,” “to uphold” (from the UBS Handbook). That sounds a lot like what it means to make an argument in defense of something. Now, if you mean arguing simply for the sake of being contentious then I would agree. But to argue in defense of the Gospel is not being contentious, it is showing love for God, His word, and the lost who can only be saved by the hearing His word (Romans 10:17; Hebrews 11:6).

      You say, “You guys need to talk about the love of God and stop tearing down and trying to disprove other religions. The number 1 Thing that was talked about in the bible was love, so start showing love.”

      The very reason we do what we do is love. If we didn’t love you and care about your immortal soul then we wouldn’t bother to try and save you from the denominational lies you’ve been told. We would just be content to know the truth and let you be lost in your error. But because we do love you we are willing to spend great sums of money, to give ourselves in energy and time, and to suffer to criticisms of the world, for your sake. According to you we should not care enough about you to try and save you. Is it because we point out the error of denominationalism with boldness and the power of the Gospel (Romans 1:16) that you say we don’t love? What about Jesus? Did he love the Pharisees when he called them blind and hypocrites? (Matthew 23).

      If we don’t care about you then why do we do what we do? What benefit is it to us? We are not profiting financially by what we do, rather we are spending money. We are not asking for donations, as the denominational preachers do. Our income stays the same whether you obey the truth or not! So, if we have no financial gain in the matter, what reason could we have for pointing out the errors that enslave so many - other than our love for God, the church of Christ, the word of God, and your soul?

      Thank you again for your comment and I pray that you will continue to watch the program and visit the web site. I pray, especially, that you will study the Bible for yourself - apart from preconceived notions - and come to the knowledge of the truth to the saving of your soul (1 Timothy 2:4).

      In His Service,
      Norm Fields

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  • 4/9/2007 7:19 PM Charlotte wrote:
    You said the ONLY place in the Bible where the baptism and fire was mentioned was Matthew 3:11. You need to read the Bible a little closer. In Luke 3:16 the Bible says: John answered, saying to all, I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier that I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. It's very important to be correct when referencing what the Bible says and does not say. People's lives and souls are at stake here for now and eternity.
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    1. 4/10/2007 6:31 AM Norm Fields wrote:
      You are correct, the baptism of fire is mentioned in Luke 3:16, as I pointed out on the TV program this past Thursday (4/5/07). I appreciate you pointing this out to me. It was a poor choice of words to say that this was the only place in the Bible where it is mentioned. Of course, what I should of said is that this is the only occasion in the Bible where the baptism of fire is mentioned. I'm sure you would agree that Matthew 3:11 and Luke 3:16 are two records of the same event. So the more correct way to state my point would have been to say that is the only occasion in the Bible where the baptism of fire is mentioned (Matt. 3:11; Luke 3:16). Thank you for giving me the opportunity to correct my wording on that.
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  • 5/10/2007 11:11 PM Mikhael wrote:
    Dear Norm,
    Bula from Fiji in YESHUA's Name!!! It was very interesting reading the articles and your comments concerning water baptism and Holy Spirit baptism.Just a point of clarification, why did you spend so much time defending water baptism as a necessary part of Christian living in our life of faith, yet you cannot spend the same time as well to defend Holy Spirit baptism as a necessary part of Christian living as well if we want to grow to greater levels of faith? Both forms of baptism are powerful testimonies of the work of The Holy Spirit in our lives. It hurts me as a baptised believer (water and in The Holy Spirit) that you would defend only the water part and lessen the need for baptism in the Holy Spirit for those who so wish to jump to that level of faith and experience JESUS in another different way and power. The principles and protocols of The Kingdom of JESUS our Saviour is found in His Word - TRUE, but neither you nor me know everything yet, so there are some things you know that I have not learnt and some things those of us who have been baptised in water and The Holy Spirit know, that you do not know or have experienced. For those of us who came out of occultic bondae and were descended just over 100 years ago from paganism and cannibalism, having faith in JESUS, being baptised by immersion, and then later on discovering the power of baptism in The Holy Spirit, we cannot deny The Holy Spirits work as JESUS poured out this gift in accordance with the promise of The FATHER. Peter in Acts 2:39 said concerning this promise that this promise was "to YOU and your YOUR children, and to those that are afar off, and to as many that the LORD should call". The gospel and call of the LORD JESUS has reached us simple people and we know what the spiritual realms are all about and what it means to come out of demonic bondage and to move to the Kingdom of light. The LORD's call has also reached us concerning salvation and baptism like the 3000 and also the promise of baptism in The Holy Spirit. The way in which JESUS does this to us depends on Him and also on our desire. It is HE who baptises, not us or demons and YOU must not doubt this lest you fall under condemnation because you deny JESUS' works. If you truly love HIM, then don't speak into areas that you don't really know (even though you think you do, and you have not experienced). Remember, brother, this Fijian writing loves you in JESUS' Name and will be praying for you. I confess that I don't know everything but I do know for sure about JESUS baptising me with The Holy Spirit. That I cannot deny nor will anyone else be able to remove that experience and the joy of moving in submission to JESUS in a greater way after that experience. Humble yourself and be willing to be corrected and not live by Church Doctrines. The pattern of baptism by immersion and in The Holy Spirit was a pattern set by JESUS so why don't you try it too. HE will baptise but you must prepare yourself.
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